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| thetwothree said: Re:I agree to a point, 2012-2-4 14:30:43 |
| So then, so are the "national" rankings. Probably less so. |
| Pickle said: I agree to a point, 2012-1-18 7:5:15 |
| however these RPI rating are all but usless until the end of the regular season. |
| erolflynn said: RPI rankings cut thru the BS 2012-1-11 6:49:23 |
| RPI rankings really cut thru the BS. So far this season, we've heard a lot about Syracuse's so-called cupcake season. But RPI tells a different story with 5 wins against under #50 RPI so far: VaTech, FL, NC St, Seton Hall, Marquette. Contrast Kentucky with only 4 wins against under #50 RPI so far: Kansas, NC, Indiana, Louisville. Also, while Kentucky played 2 teams with over #300 RPI, Syracuse has played none. Kentucky - not Syracuse - has the cupcake schedule. |
| scardog82 said: 3 seed is a lock. 2011-3-11 19:34:12 |
| Valiant effort tonight. I think we're locked in as a three seed now. We lost to Uconn in the BET semis in 2003 and were a 3 seed in the East. Let's hope this season ends like that one did. |
| lowgd1 said: RPI-Tourney seed 2011-3-6 14:11:26 |
| I agree that some people just look at RPI and forget about the other factors. The committee does look at quality wins and types of losses. Currently Syracuse has one bad loss, and that is to a top 100 RPI team. Right now, they do have a better overall profile than Texas, Florida, UNC, and many others. There is no doubt that right now they would be a 3 seed and if they win the BET they would absolutely be a 2 with an outside shot at a one if certain things fell their way. It seems that SU gets overlooked by many basketball fans in favor of other big name teams because of their names and overall press. After Syracuse lost 6 of 8 it seemed that everyone wrote them off. Luckily the committee is not made up of normal basketball fans and do look at a total body of work. Quick breakdown: UNC: Top 25 rpi wins: 5, 14 Top 50 wins:5, 14, 42, 42, 48,48 Losses:26, 63, 43, 13, 5, 170 Florida: Top 25 wins:19, 21, 14, Top 50 wins:19, 21, 14, 48, 32,39, 26, 32, 39, 26 Losses:2, 56, 143, 130, 111, 14 Syracuse: Top 25 wins: 9, 24, 15, 11 Top 50 wins: 46, 9, 22, 33, 24, 15, 31, 11 Losses: 7, 31, 92, 67, 11, 20. Syracuse and Florida both have better wins than UNC. What separates SU from FL is the losses. Syracuse's losses are much "better" than Florida's. |
| ecmic said: Re:Re:Wow, what a response!!! 2011-3-1 20:29:30 |
| Yeah, RPI is certainly a tool to use, but it's not a great predictor of seeding. Just last year, Syracuse had an RPI of 5 and ended up a 1 seed. The 2 seeds had RPI's of 4, 6, 11, and 22. There was a 3 seed with an RPI of 15. And no 4 seed had an RPI above 16. Winning a major conference tournament has historically helped seeding significantly. I remember one year Syracuse entered the BET on the bubble, ended up winning it and was rewarded with a 5 seed. |
| jdog said: Re:Wow, what a response!!! 2011-3-1 20:11:44 |
| LOL. You're right, you created quite a stir - from at least two people anyway. Actually, Andy Glockner's "Bracket Watch" (Sports Illustrated web site) was updated just yesterday, and has the Orange as a 4 seed in the East Region - just where their RPI says they should be. You may be right about their position now, and where they'll be seeded if they win the BET, but I certainly (still) don't think it's as set-in-stone as you (and especially ecmic) seem to think it is. Hopefully we'll get a chance to find out who's right! |
| scardog82 said: Wow, what a response!!! 2011-3-1 19:43:6 |
| I'm shocked my projection of the Orange being a three seed after Sat. win at Georgetown caused such an uproar at this usually dormant message board. I think all the legitimate bracketology sites (ESPN, CBS, Bracketography, etc) now project SU to be a three if Selection Sunday were today (3/1). Check out the 2011 Bracket Matrix if you don't believe me. There is no way if SU wins the BET they're not bumped up one line to a 2 seed. I even dare to say that a 1 seed is still a remote possibility with the right breaks. Especially now that BYU is without Davies (no way they get a 1 seed now no matter what they do in the MWC tourny). Let's go Orange!!! |
| ecmic said: Re:Re:Re:Re:NCAA Seeding 2011-3-1 17:20:23 |
| "Uh, SU's RPI ranking is 16, so how can you say there aren't 12 teams with better profiles? I think you're just counting *'s on the realtimerpi SU results board to justify jumping SU 3-4 places up the RPI rankings." By the way, please go look at Florida's profile. Or UNC's. Or Texas'. Or Wisconsin's or Georgetown's. Syracuse has a better resume than all of those teams. Something tells ME that YOU are just looking at realtimerpi's RPI rankings and nothing else. |
| ecmic said: Re:Re:Re:Re:NCAA Seeding 2011-3-1 17:7:48 |
| "Do you still "fail to see any way (SU) WOULDN'T get a 2 seed in this situation"?" Actually yes, I do fail to see. The only number you cite is RPI, as if it is be-all end-all. RPI is only a peice of the puzzle, and the committee consistantly seeds teams with lower RPI's above teams with higher RPI's based on other factors. I'll go through your scenario: - If Syracuse wins the BET and Texas loses in the B12 final, Syracuse will without a doubt be ahead of Texas on the S-Curve. Syracuse will have more quality wins than Texas, fewer losses, and a conference tournament championship. - If Syracuse wins the BET and Florida wins the SEC tournament, Syracuse will be ahead of Florida on the S-Curve. Most bracketologists already have Syracuse above Florida, and to win the BET Syracuse will have picked up more quality wins than Florida (Florida has all of ONE RPI top 20 win so far; Syracuse has 4). I mean really, look at Syracuse's body of work, and then look at Florida's. It's obvious. Syracuse has better wins and Florida has worse losses. - If Syracuse wins the BET and UNC loses to Duke in the ACC finals, Syracuse will definately be ahead of UNC on the S-Curve. Syracuse will have one (probably 2)less losses than UNC and about 5 or 6 more top 20 RPI wins. Again, compare the two teams' bodies of work. It's not close. - If Syracuse wins the BET, they'll likely end up 2-0 vs Notre Dame, have an equal number of quality wins and an equal number of losses, and Syracuse will have a conference championship. Syracuse would end up ahead of Notre Dame on the S-Curve in this situation, based on head-to-head and Conference championship. - If Syracuse wins the BET, that would mean St. John's would have ten losses. Do you really think a ten loss team would end up ahead of a 29-6 BET Champion on the S-Curve? Ain't NO way! Same reasoning goes for Georgetown. Add to all this the fact that Syracuse has one of the most impressive Road/Neutral resume's in the country. If Syracuse wins the BET they will definately be a 2 seed in your scenario. You put WAY too much stock in RPI. Please just look at Florida's resume. Or UNC's. There's NO way they are ahead of Syracuse on the S-Curve. |
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